Crafting Stars: The Westmore Makeup Dynasty - Part Two

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Last time, on Crafting Stars, the Westmore Makeup Dynasty Part One, we told the story of George

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Westmore who traveled from Britain to America with nothing more than talent and a dream.

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_04]: George knew that movies were the 20th century art form, and he knew that he could make them better.

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He convinced the studios that they needed make-up departments, but more importantly, he

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_04]: convinced the stars that they couldn't live without his talents.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_04]: His son, Perth, and many ways he served his father, creating a legacy around their family name.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Perr spills up the power and he realized that his father George had no place in that empire

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that he was building.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Was his dynasty in jeopardy?

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Perr's was cutting his father out, but the Westmore name was being undermined at every turn

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: by his twin brother-earn, will Perr's be able to turn things around?

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Stay tuned for Crafting Stars, The Westmore Makeup Dynasty Part Two, to find out how

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the Westmore's turn around this calamity and transform themselves into the greatest family

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: of movie make-up artists in history.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Join us for a cinematic journey like no other.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: From classic gyms to examining the art of the double feature, this is Perr FDM.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Popcorn Pop, wine at the ready, let's peresplay.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright so we're going to tell the tale of the Westmore family which starts with George,

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: George the Dad, and then how many sons?

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He has six sons.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Mont is the eldest.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he got Mont.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he has the two twins, Ernst and Perr's, Ernst.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Wally, Wally, Bud and then Frank.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Frank, alright.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about, yeah, let's talk about Ern, now.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So Ern, like we said, the most naturally talented of the group.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And the twin to Perr's, the part of the family.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Also the most reckless of them.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a part of this group called The Bundy Bowl.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Well of course he'd be the natural artist that was just sort of,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: right, absolutely.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus he did everything he could to tear down the Westmore name because he knew

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that it meant so much to Perr's.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So he was a jerk.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So in a way, he was also like George.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They both had elements of George.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's a really good point.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yet they both had the different sides.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so a man of faceted self and Ern in a big way.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And Ern was part of this group called The Bundy Street Boys.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They were the original.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And Ern, that rat pack in Hollywood before the rat pack.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It was John Barrymore, John Carradine, WC Fields.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So the rat pack or like the Hollywood vampire?

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were more like the Hollywood bitch on the show.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So they just hung out and party.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were called The Bundy Street Boys because they hung out at this artist house

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: on Bundy Street for most part.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is in the Hollywood Hills.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It was at 24 hour party.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: People would just roll in and roll out.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And their thing was that they liked, oh, arrow Flynn was part of it too.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They ever party on the Zaka?

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: They did.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They did.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Shut up.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's I have a Zaka story that happened just before the Zaka story we told.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well after this episode, I'm going to need to tell you.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't need to tell me the Zaka story.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I love some Zaka stories.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That's arrow Flynn's boat, by the way.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That was in the Orson Well lady from Shanghai.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lady from Shanghai.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Lady from Shanghai.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the bunny boys.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They were epic rap scallions basically.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were drunk on set.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They would.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: They would drive into set together and WC Field had a bar built into the back of his car.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And they would be swimming Scotch at 7 a.m.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Well to be fair, wasn't morning if you've been up all night.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They never went to sleep, right?

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I think we need to do an episode on the bunny boys.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: That could happen.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: This thing needs to happen.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That needs to happen.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: This sounds fun.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I just kicked back and listened.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: This sounds good.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was earned.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It was part of the bunny.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's part of the bunny boys.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the hell.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Where is her?

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like we mentioned he was the head of RKO from 1929 to 1931.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He ended up losing that job.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: This is funny though.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He ended up losing that job in 1931.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He lost the job and it's funny.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of what happened though.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So in what had happened?

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: In 1931 he went on a bender for two weeks and didn't show up to work.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And so they just finally had enough of him.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he was epicly talented and everyone was like my gosh, this guy is amazing.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we got shit to do.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But later that same year, 1931, he wins the very first Academy Award for

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Makeup effects.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that must have pissed for him.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: For Simmer off.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: For Simmer on.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't even called the Academy Award at the time was called the Academy

[00:05:31] Cup.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't have made it up.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a special award given.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't give another one until 1968.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, you know, this was well before make-up effects were ever recognized.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you had a Academy.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: When that A Cup.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he won the Cup.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The A Cup.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The Academy Cup.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't the Oscar Cup yet.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: No, wasn't the O Cup.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it wasn't Oscar yet.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, isn't that crazy?

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So crazy.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So crazy.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So crazy.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go ahead and say like no.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So really crazy.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But there is a downside to that too.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I was there a downside to winning the first.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in 1931 two weeks after he won the Academy Cup, George Westmore has dad committed

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: suicide.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So so he probably thought he was.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, internalized that for the rest of his life and it tore him up in.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, because that happened after Perse blocked him from getting the one job.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just because he.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: No, but all that stuff.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And you said, didn't you say that his wife had also left him?

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He had married a young wife.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who had recently left him in the match happened.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I mean, it's not all.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a culmination of a bunch of things.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But earn always saw it as his fault, unfortunately.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I tore him up and he had, you know, trouble for the rest of his life because

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of it.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he bounced back in 1935 to 37 years that had a fox make up.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, I got to mention this is my favorite part though.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He did make up for mom and dad.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Curgabab!

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Crogabab.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: At a certain point.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're not going to say, we did a Crogab two parter.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh yeah, we are.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to hear more about it.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to our two parter on Crogab.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Do the house Curgab?

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: John Waters loves him.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's who he is.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's who he is.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyhow, so he did mom and dad.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he ended up moving out of Hollywood because of all of his friends that he

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't get away from.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And the bad influences they were on him.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He sobered up and he moved to Chicago.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you met Crogabab.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, isn't that crazy?

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, so he did make up for mom and dad.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they did a movie called Why Men leave is what it's called.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Why men leave?

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, that was another one of those.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we highlighted this film in our Crogabab episode.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But earn is actually in it.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Really interest.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually get to see earn on film.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I know that all of you are here to see if I can prove what I always

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_07]: contended that there is no woman in the world who can't be made to look

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_07]: more beautiful.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's demonstrating for a long time.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the whole last act of the film is earned demonstrating.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the different face shapes.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, different face shapes.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's something that he and purse came up with together.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of became the basis of the entire Westmore makeup journey.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: The sucks about that is they should have not been cheap and shot that part in color

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's all in black and white so they're showing makeup looks in black and white.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not as impressive as it could be right because makeup for black and white is different

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: than makeup for color.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And it seems like he was doing makeup for color first the most essential.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, well, it must be honest for theirself.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_07]: She must know her face shape before she can create the illusion of proper proportion.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_07]: In recent years, we've simplified this problem.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_07]: We now think and talk in terms of five basic shape faces.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Namely the oval, the round, the square, the uplong and the triangle.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: We'll take the oval type first since the oval is the ideal face.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I should like to explain to you exactly what we expect to do by using these charts as illustration.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_07]: The oval is the shape of a leg which stands on him.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_07]: The forehead is slightly broader than the chin or the jawline.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Even though this woman has a perfectly shaped face,

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_07]: it's beauty can very easily be destroyed through the incorrect application of makeup and hairstyle.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Note here in this incorrect makeup, the hair is breasted low.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_07]: The brow is arched high.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_07]: The rouge has been applied in a circle.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_07]: And the lift has been made up high.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_07]: This in contrast is the correct application of makeup and hairstyle.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_07]: The hair has been distributed more evenly.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_07]: The rouge has been blended back up to the temple.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Down under the eye, slightly down the cheekline.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_07]: The arch of the brow is more natural.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_07]: The lift has been made up to follow the natural lip line.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Here, pictorally we can see the amount of distortion and correction.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Through incorrect and correct application.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_07]: A perfectly beautiful oval face destroyed through the incorrect application of makeup and hairstyle.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Here is Miss Obo face looking her best.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it's really interesting to see him on film.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It is. It's very cool.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: At this time too, after that film,

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Croger Bab produced a TV show for him that ended up going national.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The Irn Westmore glamour hour.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a daytime show.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't talk about that in the Croger girl thing.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the first time I've heard about that. That's cool.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So, have you seen clips or anything from it?

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There are images but I don't think because it was a teleceaning so I don't know that

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I have never seen anything.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What never worked, let's find this.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a lesson arch of it.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to transferred.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's save this puppy.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, so we've talked about

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: George. We've talked about Mont.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Perse. Irn.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that brings us to Wally Westmore.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Wally Westmore, the one that I know the name of because he's on

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: every paramount movie ever.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like the eat of head of...

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was that paramount for over 30 years.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know and his name's some freaking everything.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but isn't that the joke though?

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It is. The name is on everything and but the joke is.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Actresses would say that Wally Westmore was credited with doing their makeup

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and they'd never have the guy.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They'd never ever have the same amount of time.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's because of the time a lot of the department heads,

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: department ones that were being credited so you may be watching something and

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: think oh eat of head she did all this stuff.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_04]: She was running the department and yeah she had her hands in everything

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm not saying she's not talented but the day of day

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: some of the stuff.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right and she probably wasn't there on set.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not even talking about sprina.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways so Wally but Wally apparently took it to the next level.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah I mean he was I guess an administrator

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Wally really liked to play golf.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh so we hung out with Bing Crosse.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So Wally also didn't want to be a makeup guy.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: This is okay remember when he got put up for the job at Paramount by first?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, when he was 20.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Perst had to convince him to go into makeup.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He knew how to do it because he grew up in the family but he had to convince him.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to be a businessman.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to be an investment banker and he came up with a number.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He said Perst if you can guarantee me that I earn this much money a year

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: then I will do what you want me to do.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he said no problem.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He ended up signing a contract that was over $10,000 more than he asked

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: what his magic number was.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He knew less more.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so that's really where he came from and yeah he wasn't one of those guys

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that Hobnob was stars a lot.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't a Perst you know he wasn't an earn.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't a George.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He was a business guy.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But Bing like you mentioned,

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: mentioned Bing that was one of his best friends.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh I'm sure why mean you say golf in that time.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: By the time Bing was making white Christmas he didn't want to be on set.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He just wanted to go play golf and if they said we have to stay late to do blah of law

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: he'd say nope.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he would leave a go play golf which is crazy but.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and Bing was a business guy too.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He was more interested in being a business man that he was and actually being

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: being made so many smart decisions.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But this isn't a Bing crossbee episode.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Put it.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I right?

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But okay so let's talk about Wally though.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the first films that he made

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: first film that he was credited on.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Was Dr. Jackal Mr. Hyde after he'd go or from his mind blowing.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. That make up still to this day is impressive.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's beautiful.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and it's all done through makeup effects like it shows that he

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's under light.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: A mastery of knowledge about what makeup would show up under what exposure.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah this was all done by changing the color of the light.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's going from I think red to green.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was still you watch it and you think how the hell did they do this?

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well they didn't want to transition.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to do like time lapse.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They did for the wolf man.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what's incredible.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And wolf man was made later so.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah much later.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that crazy?

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean this was it's wild.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It happened in front of your eyes.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It made it believe.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm seeing.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_04]: This kind of effects still holds up today.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Blow's my mind every time I see it.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so Wally like we said got credit.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: With like a ton of stuff right?

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: War of the worlds.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Burt ago.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Double in Diminity.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Sullivan's travels just to name a few.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Just to name a few.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_04]: His IMDB page.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's insane.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows how many of those he actually worked on but

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's running the department.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He was running into department.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He had to eat people under him doing it.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He did Dr. Jackal.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He did.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually on set for that.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There's pictures.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He had sit back and do whatever he wants after that one.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: For 30 years.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: 30 years.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Wally you did good.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You did good.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Then that brings us to Bud.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Bud Westmore.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Bud Westmore yes.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Bud Westmore was the monster guy.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He was.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He was the head of universal for almost 40 years.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He was the last one to be let go from the studio job because universal took

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: longer to let people go than the rest of the studio.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: During the studio system meltdown.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Just mantle along of the 50s.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he actually held on to his job until 1971.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Into television.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So Bud and Frank, his younger brother.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about Frank yet.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you mentioned people we don't even know.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But Bud and Frank were much younger than the the first four boys.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when George ended up committing suicide,

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Bud ended up going to live with Wally and then Frank ended up going to live with Mont.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Back to Bud.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Back to Bud.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I digress.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of wanted to explain because they're so much younger than the other brothers.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about why is he the monster guy?

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he was a universal.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He was at universal.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: When did he start a universal?

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He started in 1947.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So after the initial cycle.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But right when they kind of were doing the big resurgence with Ab and Costello and all that kind of stuff.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Monsters were hot again, and they were doing like a lot of sequels.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the biggest things that he ever did was he sculpted the creature from the black lagoon.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: For years, he took credit for creating the creature from the black lagoon.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But we have recently found out that that was Millisent Patrick who was one of the

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Makeup.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the make-up artists that work for him.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There are pictures of her designing.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually designing the creature.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Creature design by a lady.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So, but he actually did the sculpting, which is yeah.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the grand achievements of that period for make-up.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't explain, but there it was.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_08]: A live in the deep deep waters of the Amazon.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: A throwback to a creature that had existed 100 million years ago.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It immensely strong and destructive.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: A woman's beauty, the bait that brought it out of its layer.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But in addition to that, Spartacus touched evil.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guy was at Universal Forever.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So he ended up working on so many big, big films because of it.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But I honestly think that the best thing that he ever did had nothing to do with the movies.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: In 1957, Mattel, the toy company, calls up Bud Westmore.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And they say, hey, we'd love you to design the make-up for our new doll that we're about to put out.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That doll was Barbie.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He designed the make-up?

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He designed the make-up for the initial Barbie Bud Westmore.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that amazing?

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably his crowning achievement because that Barbie will live forever.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he's just hotter now than ever.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's so awesome.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not great. Yeah.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: By a freaking Westmore.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Barbie dressed for swimming fun as only $3.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Relantly fashion has ranged from $1 to $5.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Look through Barbie wherever doll is sold.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Someday I'm gonna be that little I can.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Till then I know just what I do.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Barbie, beautiful Barbie.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll make the leaves that I am.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_09]: You can tell it's been tell.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Another thing the bug did though, but and Wally got together and they formed one of the first companies

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that did prosthetics for for veterans.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: People that came back from the war, missing fingers or arms, they would do these

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: elaborate articulate prosthetics for them.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And they started their own company doing that and they were the first person.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So not just...

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Something it did not just, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just a prosthetic.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was one that actually worked.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: These guys, man.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: These guys do it.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They do it all.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_04]: They do it all.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So let that brings us to Frank the baby Westmore.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Frank is the youngest.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: By the time Frank got into the game,

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: there were no places for him to go and not to mention that all of the studio has

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: worked as brothers already.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're just wanting to need studios left for him to occupy.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So he always was like, okay, I'm going to go make my name in the freelance world.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He saw the future.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He also was the first one to get into television.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them thought they were too good for television.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was a common bug.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a big deal back then.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, the movies will come back.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, you know?

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They did.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They did.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Movie every one away.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Never went away.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not even get started.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he went freelance.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, that ended up helping all of them.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: After they ended up losing their positions at the studios,

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: they called up Frank for work because he was the freelance guy.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then at that point, he kind of became the de facto head

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: of the family because he was the one rolling out all the work.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But he ended up working on the 10 commandments,

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a movie very close to your heart.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 1956.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This division.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he almost, almost.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cecil B. D. Mill was trying to hook him up with his niece.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: She ended up not going for him and going for one of the actors on set instead.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And that he didn't want.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He was very close to Cecil B. D. Mill for the rest of his career.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He also got really close with Spencer Tracy.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They did the mountain together.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, remember that movie?

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Another distribution movie in this division.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good idea.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good idea.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to leave you with one Frank story.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Please do.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So Frank was working one of his very first jobs.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He was not the head makeup guy on set at this point.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He was just learning and he got this job from one of his brothers.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He was working a Dorothy Lamor film called Beyond The Blue Horizon.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a, you know, Dorothy Lamor island film where she's with a

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: This chimp was a star at the time. His name was Jigs the Chimp.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And he really liked Dorothy Lamor.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And that became a real problem on set, a problem that fell into Frank's lap unfortunately.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he had to come up with a solution

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to cover up the kind of embarrassment that was happening anytime,

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Dorothy Lamor. To cover up how much the chimp liked.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, how much he enjoyed being near Dorothy Lamor.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we're all bringing between the lines here.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. So he's, you know, he's looking for solutions.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to come up with something to hide, hide this.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Hide his, his enjoyment of Dorothy Lamor.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, so, you know, the first thing he does is he, you know,

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he takes a speedo and he goes about to hair on it and he puts it on the chimp.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the second Jigs gets next to Dorothy Lamor. He rips the speedo off

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're back to square one. And then he tried, you know, actually gluing hair on

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: to the chimp in his, another regions to cover it up. And anytime that he got near Dorothy

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Lamor, he would just rip the hair off of his crotch and throw it at her.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So that became a problem. So ultimately, he ended up just having to paint it black.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He took black tar and actually had to paint the chimp to black it out so that you couldn't see it.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it didn't play on screen.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you see it on screen?

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, we could watch that movie and find out.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to. Maybe somebody else can.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and at that point he kind of, you know, this was one of his first jobs and he's like,

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: man, I don't know if I made good choices in my life.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I want to do this for the rest of my life.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Adam, one of my co-workers has a giant photo of Dorothy Lamor sitting on a rock next to a

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: in her office. I mean, giant foot, are you actually having a my office like a decade ago?

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Was that chimps name, Jigs?

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. Now you know the story behind that picture and why she doesn't want to get out.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to tell my co-worker, she's going to, they're probably going to take that photo down.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Jigs just enjoyed her a little too much. I think that's what it was.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: We have to put like a sensor.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He just sits on our over it.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Over the fair.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Whoo! All right.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's all monkey junk.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we ended on a high note with the monkey junk.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. That's what we're, that's how we're ending this.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why I can't think of a better way to end it. Can you?

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I get this episode is not for kids.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Man, there are so many good Westmore tales and we have only told a few.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even get into their salon here in the early was.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for The Westmore.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's there is.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole like backstab with earnware.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes and works for Max Factor and sells out his part of the salon.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so much.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they need like so much.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He moved to Europe and tried to start up a bunch of salons based on their salon.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What?

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it gets, it gets.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to hear more about the Westmore, just let us know.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Contact us. Let us know. Leave a comment.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, thanks for joining us as we chat about the Westmore and hang out with

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Asda and she can air look more and have some nice crunchy toasty wine.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, crunchy roasty crunchy roasty.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm a little crunchy toasty so I think we'll end this.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll see you guys next time. So thanks for joining us.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Here on Perf Damage.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: One of my co-workers has a giant photo of Dorothy Lamor.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Excuse me.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Cut that.